Still have one that is now a back up. Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. Told the gunsmith I did not want a race gun, I just wanted it to work. Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. EMF had ASM building them before they switched to Uberti. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. I remember this because I had a pair of them at the time this came up. I've heard the stories of ASM's being of poor quality, however these two .45's are very nice. The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. Stainless steel octagon barrel with drift adjustable front sight, elevation adjustable rear sight. A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting The Other Type of Percussion Revolver obtainable on to-days Market, Copies of the Colt Design, are by comparison A very poor second. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Bah! The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. Perfect for display and target shooting. SOLD THINNING VISIBLE ON BARREL NEAR MUZZLE. I started out with 10 to 15 grains, then worked up. This was suggested by a good friend and serious black powder target shooter who has a couple of the 1858s. The Beals model came earlier, then the Old Model Army/Navy, and, finally, the new Model. It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. It would sure be cool to see a review of the Colt competitorsArmi San Marco 1858 ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. I had one of the Pietta 1858 Remingtons and while I enjoyed shooting it and learning about the history and evolution of firearms, the cleaning requirements are intense. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! Gauge: 44 percussion. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) Estimated Price: $400 - $600. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. I've never had any problems with them. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. I had a Peacekeeper ASM and also a Longhorn in .45, never had trouble with them but I didn't have them very long, I sold them and bought my first Colt! Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. The one thing I really like is that the entire process of loading is actually fun, whereas for my M&P45 loading a mag isnt something to get excited about. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. I even got a lee mold to cast mini BP bullet for 36 cal , but cause the bullet was a tad long to fit in cly loading press on the navy,I never tried it thanks Stan. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why See each listing for international shipping options and costs. He joined the union army enlisting on Staten Island New York august 22,1862.Yesterday I loaded the Remington 44 caliber with 27 grains of FFG black powder and a 44 caliber ball from midway.At 20 yards it shot a nice 3 inch group. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. At that price, I bought it. BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. 1873 Single Action Manual. THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. THE .44 Spec. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. Be like suing Ruger if they called one of their 1911 models "Old Slabsides", or Uberti over their new 1873 "Thumbuster". I dont use grease on the cylinder. Selleck wields a S&W Scholfield and a 1860 (I think) Colt open frame Army. Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. This version features improved accuracy. (No, I didn't win it my son beat me in the shoot-off. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . Grips A great design of a pistol. You should have. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Or something like that. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. 21478. Model: 1858. I have three Sheriffs Models, and consider them SO GOOD, I carry one every day for Self-Defense! Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. The patent date is 1858. They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. I have two ASM revolvers, both were imports thru EMF. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. thereof. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. But the website is easy to track sale prices through the year. Products Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. Definitely a 50-yard whitetail gun. ARMI SAN MARCO .45 LC Hartford Model Box Papers Manual Spring, Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco, Armi San Marco dragoon pistol grips pearl / gold leaf plastic, Armi San Marco Hawkeye/Ridgerunner Reference copy single page 7.5x11Diagram, SAN MARCO - ROAD BIKE - SADDLE - ROLLS - GOLD RAILS, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. Armi San Marco 1858 Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. Great writeup of a gun that has been on my list for a while. This was a very common happening in the field. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH GOOD RIFLING. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. This is what the reg provides: The term antique firearm means any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)manufactured in or before 1898. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. She just a rolls out inna ya hand! ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. PIETTA AND I SHOOT 30 GRAINS OF PYRODEX FFFG AND IT JUST WILL MOVE MY HAND CAN I GO A LITTLE HIGHER ON MY GRAINS I AM A FIRST TIME SHOOTER OF THE CAP AND BALL REVOLVER THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME PAUL. Rolling 1883 Burgess Manual. For effective ignition, a ball has to fit tightly in the cylinder, and consequently a bit is shaved off when loading. I havent shot black powder in a long time. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Something went wrong. 1858 Remington However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. THE FRAME RETAINS 96% OF ITS CASE COLORS. If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated. I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. Customer Service. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Youll love it! I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of 1873 Rifle Manual. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Black powder is scary in the beginning. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Armi San Marco 1858 New in Box-never fired. 921(a)(3), (a)(16). It is considered a part and can be ordered through the mail. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! ARMI SAN MARCO These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. 1873 Rifle Manual. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. 10s will probably be best. (not by much) sInce they use the .44 barrel boared for .22s, the strength is well past ridiculous, even for the .22 Magnum. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. THE BORE IS MIRROR BRIGHT WITH MINTY RIFLING 44 Caliber; 97% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, PIETTA REPRODUCTION OF A COLT MODEL 1860 ARMY PERCUSSION REVOLVER. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. 1858 Remington Cap and ball Recently heard a story about ASM, that they moved out of the big city to a smaller town in the country. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. It isnt the first C&B Revolver Ive bought, but the first one belongs to my son and he has it. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. Original blued finish and plain walnut grips. Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. It was the Top Overall prize at a shoot in NM about 1993. In between, he was granted US Patent No. I have an ASM Colt clone. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. I loaded it to Piettas speck of 15 grains, and the ball didnt make it past the forcing cone. It wears Pietta gripframe screws, too. Used, showing light wear and handling, turn line on cylinder. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Powered by Invision Community. I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. I have a pair of ASM-made and marked, EMF Hartford Colt reproduction revolvers in .45 Colt, 5 1/2" barrels. 1860 Henry Manual. He took the gun back. Walnut stock. Mausers, Lee Enfields, Mosins, Krags etc. Having said this, I did take a whitetail a couple years ago with my 1858 Remington (standard max load per the Pietta manual). 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. It blew LaHood through a windowyumm. It ensures that every round fires the same without pushing the ball too deep into the cylinder. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. Exc condition, appears unfired. 1885 High Wall Manual. Having an issue with my pietta 44 cal. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. Pretty simple. . WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". The definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned for usingrimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is not readily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. My first cowboy pistol was an ASM EMF Hartford in .357, bought new in about '95 or '96. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. Now, if only I could get my wife to come with me and reload.oh well. After just 2 shots it seizes up and wont cock. ARMI SAN MARCO A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. Remington 1858 I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. FS: "1858" Remington Gun Parts Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. .44 Cal percussion. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . THE BLUING IS VERY GOOD BUT SHOWS LIGHT OXIDATION ON THE BACKSTRAP. Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. DO use a stout load. Black Powder Revolver Manual. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one!

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