The photograph on the left is a close up of the Llama logo that is found on both of the wood grips on this pistol. Mod. Or call Stoeger Industries Customer Service at (301) 283-6981 (option 2) or (800) 264-4962 (option 2), 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. EST, Monday through Friday. 1 ; . ' However, factory literature of 1936-39 shows this model in .45 cal. Llama IXA was produced as a replacement for the IX .45cal - large base mag. The frame was fitted with all of the Max I components. I except for magazine capacity. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. They were used in trials but never passed the requirements and only Star and Astra were purchased. Normally they have soft checkered rubber grips that do not last. Browning Short caliber, heavier than Mod. Mod. 36228, No. Safety is mounted on the slide and when activated, it moves the firing pin out of the reach of the hammer and locks it, then decocks the hammer and also disconnects the trigger bar. Followed by "S.HACKENSACK, N.J" All further shots will be fired in single action mode. Estimated Value *Using 80% condition for calculating used Values. No one seems to know anything. It is the height of the raised portion on the XA below. By searching for the rifle serial number (search box ' Rifle Serial Number ' above) By using the SwissWaffen.com all rifle serial number list page or the all rifle serial number PDF. 1252895 gaa llama max i 45 pistol p803458 mos mossberg 500 410 shotgun r733890 mos mossberg 500 12 shotgun e121374 naa north american arms mini master target 22 revolver The Omni was not a success, primarily because the sophistication of the piece led to production costs, and a retail price, that far exceeded many of its more conventional rivals. Why this ever got out of the factory is a mystery to everyone. Any ideas? Both are identical to the Llama Mod. Simply input the gun's serial number into the search field to see if your weapon is listed. Regards, Cal44. Enter the serial number (no spaces) of your firearm and click on 'Search' to identify your model. (asterisk) and then the number '2' as in 'D.2'. A Model X-1 has been noted, but details are unknown. 'l!llltliMilillllinilim, No. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. These fall in the serial number range between 200 and 300. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod. 37963, ' I tI M 111 m 111 nI y 11 I' I' I' I' I' I J'lM'li[inin^ni|ii, > . If this was a coin, it would no doubt raise its value, but I doubt if it did that for this pistol. Above the serial number it says "STOEGER INDUSTRIES" 324 7.65 mm. i , No. You are correct! Trades Accepted: We Buy, Sell, or Trade. Custom 4S Grips and trigger and a full smoothing of the internal parts. XV.-This is a .22 caliber (Long Rifle) pistol which follows the same general design as the other recent Llama models. I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesn't appear to be for that purpose. This model was produced until about 1954. If it has a copyright let me know and I will remove it. At the time serial numbers were not controlled by the Spanish government so it could have been either way. Note monogram on grips Tomas de Urizar y Cia. This is then followed by two more rounds fired at normal pressure levels to determine whether the self loading mechanism is still functioning properly, if it was, then the stamp was applied to the firearm. VII, but with the addition of a grip safety. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. The trigger guard is shaped for a better two-hand hold, and the sights are fixed. Reason: punctuation 28th March 2005, 14:31 #2 cls12vg30 New Member Join Date 24th January 2005 Location Raleigh, NC Posts 7 Posts liked by others 0 Three vent first series starting in 1955and being made thru 1969. Parabellum caliber was produced. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. Item #: 963423345. XI.-This is a 9 mm. All of the guns supplied were blue, 9 shot with checkered wood grips and accompanied by three magazines along with a holster supplied by the French. 'Systema La Lira' Marketed by Garate, Anitua y Cia. Mod. Barrel length is 5 1/2" This gun has an internal extractor like the Colt. Llama does have a chart . Mini Max - 9mm, .40 cal, .45 cal. The next and last stamp is the date code. 11 r 1^11M ! A further improvement of the blowback pattern was undertaken and this second blowback style was issued from 1935 on. ^, 'I'lhii'li'iiliiiiliiiiliMlllMllltliillllllMllllDlllllllltllltltllllllllllllllllir ::,! LLama 38 special Description: Nice Llama 38 special, very similar to the Smith and Wesson 29-2 44 magnum revolver's, this gun has a little holster ware but retains about 90% of it's dark polished bluing, has a 4' vented barrel with good rifling, smooth trigger pull, locks up nice, nice grips. It is a full-size reproduction of the Colt-Browning recoil-operated pistol Mod. If you advertise "looking for Blastomatic Model 11" with the specific serial number, you might find the current owner. Blow back operated, 5 shot mag,2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz. 323 7.65 mm. 1911A1 Colt. During WWII a company named Geco, Gustav Genschow & Co, imported guns from Spain to be sold to Nazi party members and marked their guns with the Geco logo which is a large G with the eco inside it. 1911. Mod. You'll see the computer's serial number displayed beneath the text "SerialNumber". In actuality there is no difference in the model VII M&P and the VIII M&P except for the markings. I'm trying to identify it. serial number mfg manufacturer model caliber wpn type 107888 akk akkar silah sanayi tic field hunter 12 shotgun . If you want to become a sponsor and see your banner in the above panel, click here to contact us. MA255LL/A) or Apple serial number in the search field above.Our system will decode the serial number to identify the type of Apple device you have. Here are a couple pics of it, I can post serial numbers if they will help. It could be in a collection someplace. Resource: Spanish Handguns by Gene Gangarosa Astra automatic pistols by Leonardo Antaris The standard directory of proof marks by Gerhard Wirnsberger Official guide to gunmarks by Robert Balderson Llama model IX-A instruction manual. However, my Max I 9mm Govt size is the best 9mm shooter I have. Right side of frame has serial no#208131. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. Browning filed a law suit against Beristain for patent infringement but lost the suit in 1925 . XV.-This is a .22 caliber (Long Rifle) pistol which follows the same general design as the other recent Llama models. Last edited by nailcreek; 27th March 2005 at 16:01 . I found this pic in my files and I have no idea where it came from. QUOTE=larryh11Hi Bill, Welcome to the forum! Check the sticker label on the warranty card. FREE Military Tough 6-in-1 Tactical Survival Knife, Free 2nd Amendment Gun Rights Silver Coin, Green Beret Master Sergeant Home Security Checklist, Winning Plays Texted To Your Phone That Comes Directly From An Elite Team Of Sharps, Gabilondo pistols - Firearms identification, High Standard Pistols - Firearms identification. The pre-war serial # on the butt reads with barrel to the right including I frame serial numbers on the fore strap. Some details concerning the various Llama models are as given below. Ever wondered how it is done to perfection every time? Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold, although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark. It was produced from 1936 and was still made in 1953 but does not appear in 1955 factory literature. On a Llama it is usually on the left side of the frame just above the trigger guard. t 11 l?T it:t*tttl t ftfluc^ f I iff 1 ff fl cTTt v > 1, (TTr1! That's when the feds demanded all guns, after '68, receive serial numbers. On that pistol it will probably be a letter followed by a number, with an * between. Shown with grips that I think were never used on US imports. in three different positions on the slide and the Model Police is usually toward the front. 201524, Buluilliulillii;!' III.-This was a 9 mm. iT : ! So that should put it in the 1936-1954 catagory. It appears to be identical to Mod. Mod. III-A.-This post-World War II version of Mod. Well here is your chance. Both the solid rib and the vent rib were used, Llama model -XI 9mm P. The first design had the W spring detent and possibly came with only lined wood grips asthat is the only way I have seen them. As with my model VII this gun was made in 1934. I am researching a mark on my.380 Llama with serial number 6XXXX. The gun is exactly as you said. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. So the stamp is as follows, the letter 'D' then an. I haveseen another like it. Also complying with the law is the stamp at the bottom indicating that the firearm was manufactured in Spain. I am sorry it didn't keep them from going under. Parabellum, 9 mm. If you intend to buy something from Brownells, please use their banners above. It did not come with a box so I have no idea how it was classified when it originally sold. You can narrow your search by manufacturer, handgun type, trigger type and caliber, and you can also filter results within a selectable range by overall length, barrel length or weight. 111111 MI 11111 ml 1111 ft ml 111111 m 1111111 m' < J, !i*tiTtittiii7iViti'fiifi!t*iTftitiii>ifiiii9aitilifftlfit>fiifil>i!laiitItf2tliciiffiifiiti!iiiiliiiiVtiitl, No. 325 7.65 mm. 328 7.65 mm. The serial number is 563842 which I *think* puts production somewhere around 1970-ish. VI.-This has been reported to be in 9 mm. The codes are the same whether it's a Llama, a Star, or an Astra To get the year for your code, google "Spanish pistol date codes" Here's the one I use most: Auction: 14505864 LSB#: 170816OQ08 Title: , C&R 9mm Largo (.38 ACP) Make: Llama Gabilondo y Cia S.A. corresponds to the year 1984. But the funny thing it has no markings aside from the serial # and the manufacturing stamp. The longer number is your serial number, incidentally. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. III. It is dangerous and illegal to ship a loaded firearm through the mail. Marlin- The Collector's GUide to Serial Numbers and Technical Information. 'l''',!' Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. 175). They came with and without the serrations at the front of the slide. Mod. In the picture above, the square is actually the letter 'D' but in this case, the edge of the die has left an impression on the pistols frame and the stamp looks like a square. 73214. If multiple models appear for your serial number simply match the date with the appropriate model, as certain vintage firearms can share serial numbers between different models. IV. Unusual W detent spring on Model V which is also on the model I, II and one variation of XI. They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. Cross section of typical Llama pistols. 528. Llama records appear to be non existent on any of the guns they sold or they are being held in seclusion. The import law that is mentioned above can be referenced by viewing the gun control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618 and under Subpart F-Conduct of Business sub-section 178.92 (a)(1) Firearms. This gun can be found with Especial on the right side of the slide as well as one with no marking on the right or only 9mm Automatic. VIII.-This is identical to the Mod. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. 318-A 7.65 mm. All Rights Reserved. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Uli l[! Parabellum caliber with a variant style of grip frame and hammer and has no grip safety. I I I I^.i I.I I I I^ I) I I I I tea* . Also, based on the fact there are no . An interesting note is that Spain took longer to establish national proofing laws and standards for firearms then some of the other important firearms producing nations, notably Austria, Belgium, France, Germany and Great Britain. II.-This 9 mm. They were known for manufacturing several models of both inexpensive pistols and revolvers prior to 1931. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. III-A.-This post-World War II version of Mod. Earlier issues had a lanyard ring at bottom of left side of the grip frame, but this ring was omitted in later issues and the grip pieces were redesigned. 175). Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. This is the admission proof mark that appears on Spanish handguns submitted to the official government proof house in Eibar Spain after July 9, 1931. On the flat plate on the bottom of the gun, just rear of where the magazine is inserted, look for a letter, set of letters or a word. After the close of World War II certain models were dropped, grip safeties were added to the remaining models, and a .22 caliber pistol was introduced. iiull.l'%'lr. This addition seems to have been the first application of a grip safety to a Llama pistol and was introduced prior to World War II. On Windows 7, press Windows + R, type "cmd" into the Run dialog, and then press Enter. This dates from about 1935 and was produced until about 1954. I also have a pic of this gun with Tauler on it. Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. Mod. Basically N Frame versions of the stocks on your 14-4. Early versions of this gun were marked as Military and Police on the right side with 9mm Bergman 38 Superon the front of the slide. It was the first to have a 9 round magazine because Gabilondo had built it to be used by the Military or Police. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. Beristain cancelled the contract even though he won. Leonhardt H. M. Gering and Co. Arnstadt, Germany No. I think the deep relief engraving was discontinued at this time because it does not show up in my catalog. Llama 380 Serial Number History 111111111 y M i 111' I' 111 I y I 11' I' 11 I' I' I 'j I I M ' 111' I I' I y ' I' I' I')1 I I' I' I'l'J' ' I'l'l'l 1 I'l'j'l'l'l * I *' *' 'J' IM' 1 ' I' ' 'J ' 1 *1, No. Tauler model P 9mm Have seen this gun listed as 38 Super. Any help with this would be very much appreciated. I've had several and the quality is suspect, at best. They were not imported into the US and only bring backs are here. If you do a Google search of Stoeger and read the Wikipedia entry on the company and do the same for Llama you can get a general idea of the DOM. Industry Announcements and Press Releases, Questions and Suggestions about M1911.ORG sites, Your Opinion about M1911.ORG and its sites, More than one of the above (questions pertaining to more than one brands), US Military Issue M1911 and M1911A1 Pistols, Commercial Colt Government Model, Ace, SM Ace, Super .38 and Commander pistols. The letter for the date code with the asteriskon top is still in use to this very day. It was a well made gun with fair tolerances, so parts were interchangeable within its own brand. Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Answer (1 of 37): Without law enforcement being involved you really cannot trace a firearm in the United States. V.-Made in 9 mm. Parabellum caliber with a variant style of grip frame and hammer and has no grip safety. You can search "Llama Date Codes" which may show as Star Date 1911 Pistols manufactured for foreign Governments either in US or outside US. 2.5 2.5 out of 5 stars (6) $47.99 $ 47. Llama model IV - 9mm largo - 38 acp. Leonhardt H. M. Gering and Co. Arnstadt, Germany No. 'Izarra' Pistola Automtica Bonifacio Echeverra Eibar, Spain No. EN. Serial number has been in two different places also. This Micro Max was made in 1997 and was produced using one of the slides from the previous series and not putting the compound curve at the front. Good luck getting the screws back on! Langenhan Zella-Mehlis, Germany No. It is marked .38 caliber rather than 9 mm. Whatever you buy from them, using those banners, gives us a small commission, which helps us keep these sites alive. 1 , imIm Miilii'iMiliinliiiiliinliiMlMl'liililimlllMllllillllilMliliilimli TmIi i'I i m 11 i i m I i i i Ii i m i m i m^I 1 i i Iii m Ii 11 il i i m( i m i i r i n I (111 Ii t u' 1 i m li i n ! ] according to the serial number. Model 82. Llama XVIII - .25 cal called the Executive. The serial number is pretty low: 607179 Above the serial number it says "STOEGER INDUSTRIES" Followed by "S.HACKENSACK, N.J" On the opposite side of the slide it reads: LLAMA- GABILONDO Y CIA VITORIA (ESPANA) Any help with this would be very much appreciated. My wife has a Llama .380 she inherited from her step-father. caliber, was issued along with Mod. Parabellum, 9 mm. VIII.-This is identical to the Mod. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot. This is a little known model used by the Spanish Policein .380 if it had a model number it is unknown by anyone. Mod. Its odd but I suspect they used an in stockframe and slide that were sitting on shelves in an effort to save a few dollars. Llama Pistol Series. Not being especially interested in revolvers I have decided to add another page to cover the Llama revolvers, but like the semi autos I dont trust anything that is out there about them so I will have to collect them also to make sure I have the correct information. 329 7.65 mm. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. Model: "LLAMA" ESPECIAL Serial Number: 277547 Caliber Info: 32 ACP Condition: VERY GOOD Metal Condition: VERY GOOD Wood Condition: EXCELLENT Bore Condition: EXCELLENT Barrel Type: 3 3/4 Action: SEMI AUTO Finish: BLUE Sights: OPEN Item Location: RI See all listings by RUDIM6 Print this listing Short version of the Mod. It was manufactured from about 1936 to 1954. ! ' IX.-First described as a recoil-operated style of the Mod. Ameba Ownd - . This is purely a conjecture. 175. I have a Llama Especial 9mm (380. The early versions of these were black in color and the "US" appears to be in a different font than the alpha-numeric characters that make up the rest of the numbers. It has no dovetail for the rear sight and both sights are silver soldered on, so it almost has to be Llama made entirely. Marlin Firearms. | | 11111 tj 111111 1111111 ij 11111111111111. Second Variant Humpback The second variant has the serial number on the left arm of the slide, near the front. Largo, and .45 ACP. To this weapon was given the trade name Llama" which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. Pistols collected after the Spanish Civil War were either scrapped or refinished and I suspect the date codes and proofs were ground off. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. s| 111111 11 i i I ' . The problem I am having is that the D says its made in 1931 but the pictures for this gun say they started manufacture in 1933. Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. They were of high quality and have been sold around the world. They also made it with El Soldado stamped on the slide, meaning the Soldier. As a result of this only Astra continued to make guns after that territory was taken over by the Nationalists. Jlllll;|!||'|!llii||.|,l||M[|in!Hltlltlllll, No. You can e. Mod. It is still in production. Proofs and made in Spain have been wiped in a refinish, along with most of the GC in an oval on the right side of the gun. It is still in production. The serial number is pretty low: 607179 Estimated Value *Using 80% condition for calculating used Values. I was identical to Mod. Personally, I am pleased with the Max series from Llama. This import stamp reads as follows, 'STOEGER INDUSTRIES' and then underneath that is 'S. It just looks almost brand new with almost no wear. Blow back operated, 5 shot mag,2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz. Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. Four smaller companies contracted with Gabilondo to produce 5000 pistols a month each and along with the 10,000 he could produce, he was able to fulfill the 30,000 needed. The photograph on the right is of the butt or heel of the pistol with the magazine inserted. My wife has a Llama .380 she inherited from her step-father. i f t 11 t aTaf o iIt 1 *t t^TI tn I, No. It has a double grip safety. Jger Pistole Jger and Co. Suhl, Germany No. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. Exploded view of the IIIA, VIII, .IXA, XIA. This is a Commander size with a double stack magazine. 3.50" barrel. The year code may appear on the frame above the trigger or under the grip panels. I am thinking that Llama had a slide or more that were over runs and they simply used them on later guns, but have no way of knowing for sure. Check the Serial Number data field in the BIOS Main menu. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. This command uses the Windows Management Instrumentation Command . The safety does not affect the slide, so it can be cycled and the cartridge chambered with the safety on, but the hammer will not stay in the cocked position. 'I >.>ltll7llll'tt'7' ll Who Owns Synergy Equipment,
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