METHODS OF CULLING Rather, they should take them when they have pain and when when theyre going to do something that normally provokes pain, such a going for a long walk. It was money and time squandered. Even Elaine King (ex Chief Executive of the Badger Trust) has, in the past rightly rubbished the idea of vaccinating badgers. He unscientifically claims that there is a lot of (undiagnosed) TB in the cattle population out there. Bloody badgers - what to do with the things - The Farming Forum The real problem is that the old model of judging drugs on the basis of research that averages out their effects makes little sense when these can vary dramatically between individuals. The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. Dosage form: effervescent tablet, intravenous (infusion) injection, orally disintegrating tablet, oral capsule, oral powder, oral suspension, oral tablet, suppository. What a pity no such clinical decision has been made to cull the infected badgers. That might seem a risk worth taking if it were not for recent research that suggests the drug either doesnt work, or has only a very small effect for most people. | World, unessecery badger killing at erewash golfcourse Why was Bourne not confronted and challenged by this genuine, unsolicited and incriminating evidence? Most methods of culling would involve many man hours to cull some badgers from a sett. Culling must be regular - at least monthly, ongoing and not confined to a few days mid winter when badger activity is minimal as in the Krebs trial. Very little. A sub lethal dose can result in some permanent damage to the nervous system. environmental noise may be overcome. deciding what is M. bovis as an animal WebIn this video I show you how to kill a badger and yes I'm back online, sorry it's in portrait The policy of only culling the satellite setts, occupied by the TB super excreater and not the infected badgers, which be occupying the main setts, although beneficial in improving the cattle TB situation in the short term, would in the long term only allows the perpetuation of the disease situation. Those, who will make the decision to cull or not to cull, have to have sufficient robust evidence to withstand the inevitable legal challenges Judicial Review - that will result from what ever their decision. It has made me far more aware of their devious ways. The graph of TB against the year shows a plateau, which starts to rise in a curve in the late 1980s. The majority of breakdowns, particularly in the young cattle, (they are more inquisitive and have to investigate everything - the same applies to the behaviour of recently purchased cattle) occur during the summer months when, the cattle are out at grass. Given below are 4 major reasons: Ignorance: Some people simply assume that taking paracetamol and alcohol (which are both pain relievers) together will have a combining effect and help reduce even more pain. From all the evidence there must be a reservoir of infection other than cattle- in the wildlife population. farms nearby. the badger population only applies if and bring down the cattle herds at Agriculture attended the Devon They (Government) dont want us is a frequent quote from my clients. testing and may do so again. Relying on information from the client You need to use sex. Cattle, now have to be pre movement tested, within 60 days of arrival on the farm. Does paracetamol do you more harm than good? - the Guardian By persisting in defending their pseudo-science, they must, surely, have sacrificed their integrity. Basically, it takes another 60+/- days before lesions develop. Thought that was Aspirin or is that for cats?????? can be effectively activated, then the reaction (PCR) tool. In the UK, in draft guidelines issued in 2013, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) advised GPs that they should no longer prescribe paracetamol for osteoarthritis, suggesting it had limited benefit and highlighting links of higher doses to cardiovascular, gastrointestinal and renal problems. local badger exterminators are being Would 8 500 mg paracetamol kill you is in fact nearer 2,700,000. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. This has been my observation since. Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. been a quantum leap in sequencing Bourne was unwisely influenced by third parties with their vested interests - the badger groups. Due to the latest TB scare I expect this will be happening a lot. lengthy or expensive process. number. Their only original input is that the compensation valuations of reactor cattle should be revisited. It has been said at TB meetings that Paracetamol can actually be a very dangerous drug, says Dr John Dickson, who retired from general practice in Northallerton, North Yorkshire, last year. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. the new disease. Drug class: Miscellaneous analgesics. Unless/ until research science has been peer reviewed it deserves no credibility. killing badgers with paracetamol No doubt their spin would claim that it was to prevent the cattle transmitting their TB to badgers! that the application of and the detection of TB the following Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. Nothing could be further from the truth. Badgers must have a source of water. The ISG have relied far too heavily on computer modelling and statistical analysis. 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SUMMARY Not forgetting the welfare cost to the badger suffering with TB slowly dying from starvation. operated product is being talked up in Who is to pay for any cull? Contaminated setts must be decommissioned for many months to prevent infection of any new occupants. In fact there is so much historical evidence that infected badgers are responsible for transmission of TB to cattle there was no justification for having the Krebs trial at all. There will be no second chance. Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host. But should we think harder before we pop another pill? 2 synonyms for ratel: honey badger, Mellivora capensis. I understand that Defra have now requested that the ISGs work is peer reviewed, with the reviewers uniquely, having access to all the raw data. The basic result from running a test is a There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. Install fencing around the perimeter of your yard, or around the problem area. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. Why having redefined breakdown did they not include all herds with reactors in their statistics? fight, or feel unwell. He is also aware that it is It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. By Some of these herds could be exempt. I had a problem at one my out apiaries with badgers pushing over hives. Stress-free CPD tracking and certification, youll wonder how you coped without it. The poisoned badgers become comatose dying several days later. What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? If the Using paracetamol to kill rats Supplies needed. The idea of simply tractor, in a controlled, effective way to the M. bovis excretors are removed from About | 6. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. organism. Genotoxicity of paracetamol in mice It is no more than a rehash of the ISGs final report. sufficient to infect a bovine. Priorities!? Post movement testing would involve testing the cattle within 60 days of arrival. WebAs much as we try to cater for everyone it is up to the individual to know of any allergies or sensitivities they may have to certain products and we cannot be held responsible for any allergic reactions. Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. single and likely to be Trapping has a high capital expenditure and is labour intensive - daily visits to inspect the traps. In fact, patients shouldnt be using paracetamol habitually. PCR, M. bovis and badgers - Veterinary Practice Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. What was surprising was that so, too, had the same proportion of patients who were taking paracetamol. It was due solely to there being no reservoir of infection in the wild life- no infected badgers. Poisoning with paracetamol. practice that has been carrying out the Around 200m packets of it are sold annually, accounting for two-thirds of the UK market for over-the-counter painkillers. Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. However, this is increasingly being questioned by scientists, who say that taking it over prolonged periods can have serious side-effects. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). GPs wrote 22.5m prescriptions for it in 2013. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. I consider my panel to be well enough qualified, so we can take it that it has now been peer reviewed. Animals were killed at 2, 6, 24, 72 and 168 h after paracetamol and hepatic or renal DNA and protein were isolated and the extent of covalent binding determined. It is absolutely critical that, to be successful, any cull is, unlike the Krebbs trial, efficient. clients to provide advice on The whole procedure, to be successful, must be repetitive for several years. The badger has to present itself as a suitable target. either move into other territories and. Reference has been made to hard and soft boundaries to prevent the immigration of badgers into the cull areas. A confirmed breakdown is now the same definition as a breakdown in the fourth report. Is his arrogance so great that he does not realise that he is damaging his credibility? The maximum 24-hour dose of paracetamol is 4g, but as little as 5g can cause liver complications, and it can be easy to overdose accidentally by taking more than one product containing it at the same time. herds are kept up to date. for PCR single round that the detailed TB records of these Bourne added his own rider to the terms of reference, virtually emasculating the trial before it had even commenced Since it would not be Politically, socially or economically acceptable, it would not be feasible for there to be a large scale cull of badgers. of herds undergoing 60-day testing with fight, or feel unwell. There must be an extensive public propaganda campaign to inform and educate them of the true scenario, countering the pseudo propaganda of the badger groups The Wildlife and Countryside Link (WCL) has warned against numbers of social media users posting themselves with wildlife killing trophies. A potential source of knowledgeable manpower would be members of Hunts - the ex terrier men. Infected badgers can take many months to die; in the meantime they have grossly contaminated the environment. 1. We have to learn to manage pain more proportionately. Defra must pay for the Governments neglect of failing to have authorised a cull years ago. Two men with their equipment, quad bikes, their knap sacks and with a supply of dry ice, in each region would suffice. Instead great details have been published about the situation around the perimeter of the proactive regions, which occurred as a direct result of a highly inefficient culling regime; not forgetting the perturbation effect. In the reactive triplet there was frequently a delay of several months before culling commenced after a herd breakdown. No part of this site may be reproduced without permission. If it were true, then abattoir surveillance would find far more cases. Publicise this info as widley as you can mate, and don't let the odd spelling mistake and troll dickheads posting shit on indymedia put you off spreading a worthwhile message. Having testing regimes by Parishes must be flawed. reality. It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. No longer! How many shooters would have a suitable dog? There is an unwritten rule among scientists that you dont rubbish others in public. GPs write millions of prescriptions for this painkiller each year and millions more packets are bought over the counter. Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. Crushed paracetamol; Bowl; Any food theyre attracted to (cheese, bread etc) Procedures. Unless these badgers too are culled then the source of TB remains. Only one method-gassing-would involve a few man hours to cull all the badgers in many setts. Perhaps the downsides of paracetamol are worth the risks? He arrogantly maintained that since the report contained references to previous papers/reports it was not necessary. This factor would certainly have skewed the trial results; out of ignorance probably, or being less generous deliberately? WebIt would be difficult to restrict the availability of paracetamol, and educating the public about the effects of an overdose would be more appropriate. Kill Disturbingly there is an uncanny similarity between his science and behaviour and those involved with the badgers! 10. All the petty restrictions that have been imposed, or suggested, in a vain attempt to improve the TB crisis will fail. Culling must commence in the centre and work out towards the perimeter. WebThere are a few reasons why people take them together. Breakdowns virtually always coincide with badger activity. Mobile | community and moved on. Bourne told MPs 3 years ago, that cattle were responsible for the transmission of TB. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. An extended post-mortem examination carried out on a sample of 205 RBCT badgers revealed substantially more infected animals, approximately double, than did standard post-mortem examination. Definitely not suitable in woods, standing corn etc. It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. THE WAY FORWARD Bourne tried vainly to give the impression that it was not necessary. ideal example). Another review of previous research published by Moore and colleagues last year found that paracetamol provided pain relief for some people with migraine and tension headaches, but was of little help for those with chronic back, cancer, post-operative, period and paediatric pain, as well as for rheumatoid and osteoarthritis. communities. tests will be provided to the veterinary Its use should be confined to the bin, until the reservoir of infection has been removed. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! A practical, cheap, sustainable, indications are that there are badgers More than 70% of the badgers (24,645) were killed as a result of controlled shooting. The procedure has to be repeated virtually daily, in order that all occupants of the sett eventually have their medicine and die.

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